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Poster: cosmic charlie dupree Date: Apr 15, 2009 1:34pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: day vs. night shows

Is there an online source where I can tell if a show was performed during the day/outside or at night? I realize that most times it's obvious from the venue name.

Probably a personal peculiarity, but I often find myself wondering whether a show I'm listening to was performed outside vs. inside. Kind of helps me imagine things better.

Weird. I know.

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Poster: spiritwalker Date: Apr 15, 2009 4:19pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: day vs. night shows

Sure made a difference to me.With the outdoor shows ,the weather was part of the factor.For me,washington DC '86 comes to mind...I always wondered why they played outdoor shows in the hottest part of the year.I guess it was the only time that some of the venues were available?Indoor shows were way better to me.


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Poster: Finster Baby Date: Apr 16, 2009 7:04am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: day vs. night shows

I was the exact opposite..... I always loved the outdoor shows. I think the sound was better and the vibe was always better at an outdoor show. Plus the outdoor venues always seemed to be different from one another. I know alot of them weren't really, but they seemed it. Much of that may be due to the fact that most of my travel shows were outdoors when the weather was nice, so the lot scene and the camping and the surrounding area etc added gratly to the experience. Had many fun times camping out at places like Alpine and Merriweather and Blossom and other such places. The 2nd show I ever saw was at City Island in Harrisburg. That was kind of the one that got me into the outdoor shows. Not the best show I ever saw, but I just thought it was kinda coll to see a concert on an island in the middle of a river...
Indoor arenas all seemed the same to me. Spectrum, Byrne, MSG....same drab Arena, different drab city. The one exception to that for me was the shroom room in Hampton. That was a pretty cool place to see a show!!

Outdoor shows rocked...Nothing better than spending a summer evening with the GD!!!

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Poster: lobster12 Date: Apr 16, 2009 8:55am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: day vs. night shows

By day show you mean the sun is still up as the encore is played? I saw a few and they were cool. Different vibe. Cal State Dominguez, Compton terrace , Vegas, LA coliseum (horrible show). I did not go to Vegas in 94 but I understand the shows were at night because of the heat. Why the hell would the dead play Vegas in June? I think the tour was pushed back because of the world cup.

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Poster: sambonk2 Date: Apr 16, 2009 7:27am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: day vs. night shows

Outdoors for sound quality and scenery....Chance of rain...oh well!!..Indoor venues are a bit trickier.Most of the Modern day Rock concerts are held in a Huge Iron Cage...not good for sound...with a good PA and a good sound man,The Dead mananged to get some good sound in some awful places.Byrne was actullay designed for sound..Hampton as well...I prefer some great open air space like Cal Expo...

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Poster: Purple Gel Date: Apr 15, 2009 5:23pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: day vs. night shows

Although my first few years of seeing the boys I lived on the Easy Coast, I moved to Colorado in 1980 and spent the most part of my Grateful Dead days there, and attended shows mainly from the west coast to the Mississippi. Almost half the shows were outdoors, and I have to say that in general, I enjoyed the outdoor experience more than indoors. There was something special about spending a nice summer or fall afternoon in the sun (for the most part), watching the boys do their thing and really being able to experience the crowd. More often than not, the sound was better outdoors as well, especially compared to some of the large arenas.

Out west, at least, we were fortunate to see shows in a lot of the more intimate and pretty outdoor facilities like Red Rocks, The Greek, OKC Zoo Amph, The Frost, Folsom Field (where they played in the horseshoe, which was only about 1/4 of the stadium) and Telluride. The largest outdoors facility I saw them at was Irvine Meadows, and the only Stadium show I saw was at Hollender Stadium in Rochester '79, which was a small soccer stadium.

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Poster: cosmic charlie dupree Date: Apr 16, 2009 8:00am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: day vs. night shows

Purple Gel - A few months ago, I came across your review that referred to the "orange blobs" on a rainy day (as I recall) at Red Rocks - I believe it was a fall '82 show. Your review hooked me into giving the show a listen, and it is a real good one. Crazy Fingers in the rain - too good to be true!

This post was modified by cosmic charlie dupree on 2009-04-16 15:00:11

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Poster: RBNW....new and improved! Date: Apr 16, 2009 12:21am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: day vs. night shows

Nothing better than the sun going down and as dusk blended with the stage lighting in red rocks the city of denver lighting up in the background.....and I always liked the fact the each of the 3 shows starting at different times to get this effect at different points of the show....oh the memories.......

This post was modified by RBNW....new and improved! on 2009-04-16 07:21:16

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Poster: barongsong Date: Apr 16, 2009 10:25am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: day vs. night shows

The cool thing about outdoor shows was that weird things often happened like the lightning in Vegas or the ultralight flying over the crowd on Oxford or the Alien balloons at Expo but there is also something to be said about indoor shows having a sometimes more intense compressed energy that could be very nice too.

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Poster: sambonk2 Date: Apr 16, 2009 11:05am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: day vs. night shows

ultra flying at oxford was crazy....i forgot about that

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Poster: Edsel Date: Apr 15, 2009 4:56pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: day vs. night shows

I saw them on 9 occasions in Kansas City at outdoor venues, 1978-1991, ranging from the last week in June to the middle of August. Several of those dates were near, or past 100 degrees with dripping humidity. I rate the Arrowhead show as the hottest, a hundred degree day on artificial turf in an oval stadium .... the only thing that made it possible to stay the whole day were the thunderstorms that rumbled through a couple of times and dropped the temperature down into the 90's for a brief period....brutal. That was the first outdoor show here, in 1978, so, they knew about our summertime conditions, and still came back 8 more times outdoors.
As a musician, and from my own experience, I will say I play my best, and with more enthusiasm when I'm hot and sweaty. Most of the musicians I know say pretty much the same thing, not all of them, but most. In the winter I was always happy when we had a gig in a small, hot, smoky bar as opposed to a club or lounge even tho they usually paid much more.
I dunno.

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Poster: cosmic charlie dupree Date: Apr 15, 2009 9:05pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: day vs. night shows

Edsel - Thanks for the reply... I always enjoyed the hot summer day concert experiences of my youth, and that's kind of what prompted my question. The experience FEELS different in the hot sun, and I like to think that translates into a different sound (whether good or bad). Not being a musician/performer myself, I appreciate your perspective!

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Poster: sambonk2 Date: Apr 16, 2009 8:24am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: day vs. night shows

sound travels Better in Heat.....Richer..thick sound'
Anything below 45 degrees..the sound gets Thinner....

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Poster: Edsel Date: Apr 16, 2009 8:38am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: day vs. night shows

ahh yes, "thick air".

During the recording of Anthem Of The Sun, Producer Dave Hassinger bailed out part way through the process supposedly after Weir requested "the sound of thick air" during Born Cross-Eyed.

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Poster: midnight sun Date: Apr 16, 2009 11:14am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: day vs. night shows

"Anything below 45 degrees..the sound gets Thinner.... "

interesting statement...at neg 40 deg F (or C) the sounds i hear from the distant highway as well as other sources are indeed clearer and sharper, and at least seem to be a lot louder, but not necessarily any better...suppose this could be a result of the sound being thinned (?)


btw Sambonk, had a listen to your band a while back...you're a fine drummist!...although they're competent musicians and all, thought the bass and keys could have played out a bit more to take some of the weight off the guitarist...didn't help matters that the guitarist was also up quite high in the recording mix

just my .02, all things considered, great to hear people playing the music they believe in, jam on!

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Poster: sambonk2 Date: Apr 16, 2009 12:43pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: day vs. night shows

Hey thanks Man...Jimiller Band is a blast..Thanks for your kinds words!!!!Will be uploading more shows soon with Originals as well